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# a few thoughts Written by Rob at 08 Feb 2006 19:21:37: As an answer to: Re: stretched by dad written by Robin at 02 Feb 2006 19:49:40: Hi itialiano, Regardless my invitation to come into my email box - you seem to write quite happily out in public on the forum - so buggar it - I will as well. .... I have read other reports on this preputial kung fu - and it sounded purely painful and traumatic - somewhere on the site I wrote how this is counter productive to what we are wanting to achieve in an initiation, namely a relaxed mature relationship with your own male body. I actually consider "foreskin kung fu" far more psychologically damaging than an infant routine circ. I can imagine after 5 yrs. of this kung fu, that you were so frustrated by the whole process, that you were thoroughly relieved when you were eventually cut at 13. Would you like to add anything ? - I presume it was also for you painful and traumatic? And of course rather pointless - then as Dr. Beauge informs us, gentle regular stretching is needed to get success. A sort of tai chi for foreskins (hee hee) As you realise my site is not aimed at this specific problem, it is only one of the many problems ... but all are to do with the same taboo. If what you say about the Italian web is true, then there is no debate on routine infant circ. pro and anti in Italy? (how amazing the English pages are full of it). But in Italy it seems a pro - anti preputial gym debate is in full swing. - Fascinating how different European cultures show different effects from the general taboo, and all are lost in their own little debates ... I already have a German translation of the welcome pages and 90% of a French one online. - I want to be international - Id really like it to someway branch out to Italy ... Would you like to write a page with personal memories of your story - and on a separate page an introduction to the situation and links to Italian webspace. I really believe any objective report on these subjects would fit on my site, ....it all fits under the heading of taboos on phimosis ... and I could easily publish it... And then it is perhaps rather adventurous but if you translate my welcome page, (give it an hour try! maybe you will enjoy it, I enjoy translating) ... (and if you wanted, I could also collect all my passages relating to preputial kung fu - tai chi and you could translate them as well...) And then we could put your address as contact address OR we could open an Italian forum, and you could put your pages up there as well, ... and maybe ... in about 6 months maybe ... someone could reply, and so then YOU would then be in a position to start communicating with other men who have been through your experience and could start generally having your say and changing the attitudes to foreskin gym in Italy. It is all possible ... but it would require a bit of work and general interest from you ... I dont want to force or pressurise anyone into anything. Im just explaining my idea - Its up to you if you want to follow it .... think thats all for now Cheers Robin Answers: